The Democrats think you & I are both stupid…
7 October 2007That’s the only way I can explain this latest political trick they have tried to pass off on all of us. They think we’re morons, plain and simple… And it’s not just the Democrats. It is the Mainstream Media as well.
You think I’m going too far with that characterization? Do you think I’m exagerating?
Well then, explain this for me:
Remember the big photo-op recently when President Bush vetoed the recent Democratic sponsored effort to expand the SCHIP program? Remember how the Democrats had a 12 year old kid who had recently been in a terrible car accident read out their rebuttal to the President’s statement? They had the kid reading their script and give the poor sob story to all of us about how he and his poor sister would have never gotten the medical treatment they needed if not for government funded treatment. It was a sad story. The parents were only making $45K a year in Baltimore and neither of their mean old employers would provide any kind of health insurance. And those mean old insurance companies were going to charge their family more for simple coverage than they paid for their $1200/month mortgage! How unfair!
There’s only one problem. Well, actually their is a bunch of problems with this sob story. A few people started doing some basic fact checking of the Democratic and media narrative and guess what they found out? Here are a few of the facts:
- The family sends at least two of their children to a private school that charges $20K tuition per year. How does a family that makes only $45K a year spend $40K a year on tuition?
- The family owns a 3000+ sq.ft. home in a historic distrinct of Baltimore where 2000 sq.ft. homes were recently selling for almost a half million dollars. Check out the granite counter top in that huge kitchen! How can they live in such squalor?
- The father, who the media described as a “woodworker” actually owns his own design company and has decided not to give himself health insurance.
- A health insurance policy in his area could be had for less than $500 a month, but he chooses not to get one
See what I mean? The Democrats and the mainstream media both think you and I are both stupid. These simply is no other explanation for this scam.
UPDATE: Yes, this really is the first thing I’ve posted since April. If you’re reading this, and you wish I’d get back to posting regularly, how about putting a comment on this thread and letting me know you’re out there? It’s not much fun to post when you think nobody is going to read it anyway.. Thanks!
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8 Responses to “The Democrats think you & I are both stupid…”
October 12th, 2007 at 1:03 am
OK…where to begin…
1) How does a family that makes only $45K a year spend $40K a year on tuition?
A: They don’t. It’s called a full scholarship.
2) The family owns a 3000 sq.ft. home in a historic distrinct of Baltimore
A: They paid 50K for it when the ‘historic district’ was less than safe.
3) A health insurance policy in his area could be had for less than $500 a month
A: per person?…so that is ‘only’ $3000/mo for the family of six. And is that FULL coverage.
October 12th, 2007 at 4:45 am
Good Lord, Let’s not let the FACTS get in the way, right, J_Dukehart?
1. Full scholarships are wonderful. How do you know they have one? If so that certainly explains the tuition cost. Do you actually have any evidence that they have full scholarships? Please do share. If so, then I applaud their accomplishments! But even if they do, it doesn’t explain why the taxpayers should be footing the bill for their insurance coverage.
2. Where is your evidence they paid only $50K for it? If so, that would explain a lot as well, and that was a fine real estate investment and again I applaud them for it. It still doesn’t explain why the taxpayers of this nation should be paying for their health insurance. It also doesn’t explain how the father could afford the building he runs his own business in. The bottom line is you think it is OK to hold a gun to my head and take money out of my family’s wallet to pay for health insurance for a family that owns over a half million dollars in property. A simple move to a different neighborhood and suddenly they can afford their own coverage! Imagine that! So basically you want to steal from me to keep them in their historic home they obviously can’t afford anymore.
3. I don’t believe that the quote shown on the InsureBlog that I linked to covered only one person. If you believe that, then please post us your evidence for that. Show me a quote for health insurance anywhere near that cost. The blogger at that site says quite plainly that he is shopping for insurance for a family of 6 in Baltimore, not just 1 person. So yet again, you get the FACTS wrong here.
You must not pay for your own insurance if you really think that 1 person can’t get coverage for less than $500/month. The coverage on my family of 4 is less than that. Are you a beneficiary of SCHIP as well? That would certainly explain why you think it is OK to take my money so quickly. Do tell, sir.
The bottom line is that these people are plenty wealthy enough to afford their own health insurance coverage. You have said NOTHING that changes that simple fact, my friend..
October 13th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Wow. Once again I’m not sure where to begin…
1. This has been reported by numerous media outlets, but obviously not on Fox ‘news’.
2. Ditto (I know you right-wingers love that word). This is a matter of public record. And it’s wasn’t an investment. They bought a house for $50K in a bad neighborhood. Many years later, the house IS worth quite a bit more, but not everyone buys homes as an investment. Many people buy homes to have a place to live.
3. Actually, no. I have no insurance. Pre-existing conditions have prevented this. But I guess that’s my own fault for being born less than perfect. Why should society ‘hold a gun to your head’? Maybe because we live in a civilized country. Maybe because the USA is the only industrialized country that doesn’t have National Health Care.
You seem very concerned that your money is taken to help a 12 year old boy. I can’t help wonder how upset you are that billions have been given to a private ’security’ firm called Blackwater.
October 13th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
People in this country who can take care of themselves should take care of themselves. It is so sad that these people did not attempt to find affordable coverage before they needed it. Now they want the taxpayers to pay for it.
Liberals are constantly confusing legislated wealth redistribution with “helping” people. Charity is for helping people. Taxes, especially at the federal level should be collected for the common defense.
It is possible to want to help people and be opposed to federal wealth redistribution schemes. The two are not mutually exclusive. That liberals refuse to debate this issue rationally is proof that they are not interested in an honest discussion of what kind of people should be assisted with health insurance subsidies. If the Frosts had sold even one of their luxury vehicles they could have afforded coverage before their accident occurred.
What is still not clear is their automobile insurance coverage before the accident. Did they have any? Did it cover the medical bills?
Even their neighbors have said that they are not the kind of people that should be seeking government assistance for their medical bills. They are not “the working poor.”
October 13th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
Well, first of all, Mr. Dukehart, what makes you think I even WATCH Fox News? I don’t watch it any more than I watch any other news, which is rarely. You might as well stop with that silliness.
And like I said before, congrats to those kids for earning a scholarship. It was obvious something was up concerning the tuition if it was $40K and their family only made $45K. Good for them for making that work! That’s not really the point, though. Is it? Feel free to post a link to any evidence of the full scholarships, so everyone can see for themselves.
As for their home not being an investment, all homes are investments! I happen to live in my home as well, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t an investment.
Please don’t go on with your whining trying to convince me that this family, who lives in a half million dollar home, can’t afford their own insurance and that I should fund the bill for it. I have my own family to support, thank you! My home isn’t worth half of that amount and yet I have somehow managed to have my whole family properly covered by a medical insurance plan since the day I was married, including the times when I was layed off from my job for a few weeks at a time. I expect everyone else to do the same for their kids.
If you can’t afford to insure your own kids, then maybe you shouldn’t be having 6 of them! Or maybe if you do, you might need to move out of that fancy home and find something a bit smaller, and use some of the equity to cover the basics like health insurance. How’s that for an idea? It might be time for their dad to quit the “wood-working” and get a real job that pays enough for him to support his 6 kids, instead of expecting the rest of us to support them. How’s that for an idea?
Your own confession about your lack of coverage tells me that at some point in your past you made an irresponsible decision to let your own coverage lapse and now you can’t get insurance any more because of some medical condition that developed while you were uninsured. I do feel sympathy for your situation, J, but it seems to me that this is the result of your own actions. Am I missing something here? I don’t know the details of your life, and I don’t want to. That is your business, not mine. It only becomes my business when you try to take my money to cover the cost of your bad financial decisions, like the Frosts have. And this Democratic propaganda is trying to make it easier for even more people to follow in their irresponsible footsteps, in my opinion.
This Democratic poster family obviously made some bad decisions. That is why they can’t afford to insure themselves. And now, like you, they have been uninsured when an emergency occurred, and now they have a “pre-existing condition” as well.
When will people start taking responsibility for themselves and not have more children than they can afford to raise? And when will people realize that if you make the poor decision to go without medical insurance, then you might just find yourself with a “pre-existing condition”..
Feel free to explain how I’m wrong about them or you. I don’t want to get in your business here, but maybe I’m missing something that explains how you ended up in the position you are in. I don’t see anything I’m missing with the Frost family, but you might be a whole other story..
October 14th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
Del,
First, if you watch no news at all, that would explain why you don’t have the information reported on the news.
Second, the idea of homes as an investment is killing the American dream. If house values are constantly appreciating, then few and fewer people are able to afford houses, especially when incomes fail to keep up with the huge inflation in home prices. And, it leads to the sort of crisis we are now seeing with massive foreclosures.
Third, I do agree that six kids is pretty crazy. I think every couple should have no more than two. With 6 BILLION people on the planet, we hardly need anymore. However, I don’t think those kids should suffer for it. After all, they didn’t ask to be born. And we ARE talking about the kids here.
Fourth,I lost my insurance when I was laid off because the sales guy was an utter incompetent who failed to bring in more clients. Since I was the last hire, I was the one they let go. And I didn’t ‘develop’ a condition, i was BORN with it. I was pretty luck to get insurance when I did. I haven’t been lucky again.
Fifth, I we had National Health Care like the rest of the civilized world, then no one would have to go through this, including you.
Finally, in response to what Not Her Real Name said: I have agreed 100% with you on other issues, but the taxes are not only for the common defense.
Taxes support government and the purpose of our government is to “…establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity…” Therefore, as part of the General Welfare, we should have National Heath Care. The poor elderly have it. It’s called Blue Cross.
October 14th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
Now, now.. I read plenty of news. I was just stating that I don’t WATCH a lot on TV..
You said: “Second, the idea of homes as an investment is killing the American dream. If house values are constantly appreciating, then few and fewer people are able to afford houses, especially when incomes fail to keep up with the huge inflation in home prices. And, it leads to the sort of crisis we are now seeing with massive foreclosures.”
That is one of the most economically ignorant things I have read in a long time. There are a lot of foreclosures lately because banks, for the last few years, were being stupid and giving so called “sub-prime” mortgages to people who cannot afford the payments. This was a recipe for disaster and the bubble on this stupid lending practice has now started to burst. The standard mortgage market continues to thrive in this country and a single family home remains one of the best investments any family can make, as the Frost can show through their own example. The problem is when you try to buy a home you can’t afford by taking advantage of a crappy loan you can’t afford. That is what has created the current so called “crisis”, which doesn’t seem to be that big of a deal when you look at the record performance of the stock market overall.
Banks who made stupid lending decision, and people who took them up on their stupid risky sub-prime loans, are really the only ones being impacted by the current situation. Obviously it is sad for those impacted by the problem, but they brought it on themselves and it has nothing to do with “the idea of homes as an investment”. It’s basically just like people using paycheck loans and rent-to-own. It’s a stupid thing to do and you will get bit in the ass if you fall for it.
As for this: “Fourth,I lost my insurance when I was laid off because the sales guy was an utter incompetent who failed to bring in more clients. Since I was the last hire, I was the one they let go. And I didn’t ‘develop’ a condition, i was BORN with it. I was pretty luck to get insurance when I did. I haven’t been lucky again.”
What happened to COBRA? I have been laid off plenty of times at various start-ups I have worked for that went under and I was always able to use COBRA to pay a bit extra until I found the next job and keep my family insured. Sounds like you should have done the same thing, right? It was a bit more expensive, but obviously worth it.
As for National Health Care, the systems that are out there really don’t have that great a track record. I just read this sad story today, and many other stories like it are out there all the time. You’re certainly not going to convince me that the systems that exist today work well. They don’t. People from all over the world know that they can come here to get the best care available.
October 17th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
As for National Health Care, the systems that are out there really don’t have that great a track record. I just read this sad story today, and many other stories like it are out there all the time. You’re certainly not going to convince me that the systems that exist today work well. They don’t. People from all over the world know that they can come here to get the best care available.
You want a sad story, Del? Read this:
http://southernhiv.wordpress.com/2007/02/28/lack-of-dentist-kills-poor-child/